Content Downloads

[firescue17]

There is something wrong with my last set of content downloads. I tried to FTP download them. 2 of my 3 selections had no movie clips, just the images folder.

The third one never worked at all.

Any ideas?

[AB-Rob]

Hello,

due to changes we have made our movies are no longer available for you to ftp to your computer. The only thing that is available to download to your computer are the pics. You will have to click copy to contentserver.

[PhunkEMan]

*cough*

http://www.ezpimp.com/viewtopic.php?t=3592

8)

[firescue17]

I suppose that's been posted someplace. I've been away for awhile.

[Supafly]

I don't like these new DRM movies. I expect once surfers start learning that these movies expire once membership stops, and that they can't convert them to mpg so they can burn their own DVD movies they are going to be pretty pissed off.

AB claim an average punter stays with them for 8 months...so imagine $160 down a good member stops his subscription...he is left with a bunch of worthless encrypted files. He would be much better now in my opinion, either joining deluxepass (whose movies can be converted and don't expire), another rival or actually going out and buying the DVD movies.

I would not be happy only being able to watch movies on a small computer screen connected to the internet, I expect my members to feel the same.

Of course EVERY copy protection system to date has been 'cracked', I imagine DRM will be 'cracked' also very soon, so I believe pursuing this DRM route is rather futile anyway.

[babydred]

If DeluxeAss wants to stay in the AVS biz...they're going to have to go DRM soon also...RedLight District is no longer licensing, and from what i've seen, most, if not all of DP's movies are just that...RLD...they either gotta change to DRM to get NEW content or retire.

IMO :wink:

[Neo Beta]

Obviously the veteran who posted right above me knows this industry like the back of his hand. Bold words..ran many networks I see?

My opinion, Supafly, I honestly think there is going to be alot of mixed emotions across the entire member base, even with AB's new studios. I personally don't know if I would have done the same exactly, might have just licensed the new studios via DRM and continued releasing movies otherwise..ease in the new laws instead of forcing them on everyone.

[PhunkEMan]

Of course EVERY copy protection system to date has been 'cracked', I imagine DRM will be 'cracked' also very soon, so I believe pursuing this DRM route is rather futile anyway.

Well DRM has been around a few years and no one has managed to crack it yet 8)

[babydred]

Obviously the veteran who posted right above me knows this industry like the back of his hand. Bold words..ran many networks I see?

Never claimed to know the industry like the back of my hand...but i do know that RLD stopped licensing and DeluxeAss is going to have to go DRM soon themselves or get some low-level content from small and virtually unknown studios...if they want to stay in the AVS biz.

[AB-Devil]

DRM is the wave of the future. Yes there will be drop-offs in retention. The trade-off for that is this, your fellow webmasters will not be able to steal your content, and the users themselves will not be able to just come in, grab all your content and then cancel. Another plus is that our content will not become over-saturated on the web. We have new EXCLUSIVE contracts coming in from some of the major players. This will also bring in surfers. Additionally, there are going to be some additions to the main www.adultbouncer.com page. We are going to be featuring an exclusive content provider every week. This will also be on the webmaster signup page, to help with quality webmaster signups.

[PhunkEMan]

Wooooooooooohooooooooooooooooo :P

[Neo Beta]

Obviously the veteran who posted right above me knows this industry like the back of his hand. Bold words..ran many networks I see?

Never claimed to know the industry like the back of my hand...but i do know that RLD stopped licensing and DeluxeAss is going to have to go DRM soon themselves or get some low-level content from small and virtually unknown studios...if they want to stay in the AVS biz.

Ahh..just seemed like you did, my mistake. Last time I spoke to RLD personally they are still licensing, just not through AdultLegal and must be contacted directly in the future..assuming they still plan to release licenses -- though I'm sure you were aware of that. But their content has been more abused than anyone elses and with the newest network coming up I think DP should probably be the least of your worries. I for one am very interested in seeing these new studios AB has and more importantly seeing how this DRM measure takes affect on the network..hasn't been cracked yet but how will the surfers take it...

Should be an exciting couple of months, a lot of new directions boiling.

[Movie Guy]

there will likely not be a crack, or if there is, you can bet MS will stop it dead very quickly. This is very important to MS and to the entire industry.

Just because we start using it, doesn't mean a crack will appear shortly because the current DRM technology has been used for many other sites and services. It's proven technology.

[Supafly]

I suppose if you know where to look you can find a crack for anything. Lets face it if microsoft could make uncrackable software the world would not be flooded with copies of windows xp. I give DRM 6 months at the most before it is cracked (if it isn't already)!

[PhunkEMan]

I give DRM 6 months at the most before it is cracked (if it isn't already)!

I love these quick un-educated comments that people make about DRM. I suggest you read up on it before making comments like you just did, DRM has been around for a few years and hasn't been cracked yet

[Movie Guy]

Errrr.....why is everyone saying, "they'll find a crack soon if not already"?
Not to say that I am FOR DRM technology, but the reality is this is not being taken lightly. Unlike iTunes which featured fairly new DRM tech, windows media DRM is PROVEN.

I will re-iterate, just because AB started using it last month, doesn't mean the technology is new. Supafly, I'm repeating what I said in my previous post. windows media DRM has been around for years. The last major crack was in september 2001 and that was swiftly brought down.

Will there be a crack? Possibly, but unlikely. Right now, everyone is speculating, "it'll be cracked soon" and not bothering to get the facts straight. More importantly, why are so few people stopping to think that perhaps the adultbouncer staff did their research before introducing the system? Do you think so lowly of AB that they would start using a technology that could be so easily cracked?

This discussion is futile. Like talking to people who still believe the earth is flat and won't look at scientific evidence.

Check out this forum:
http://pub25.ezboard.com/bstreemeboxvcr

[xpc]

heres the thing someone will eventually do it its a matter of when, some people might have work arounds to it instead of cracking it. i dont know about this much but like with security software like securum(or whatever its called) was suppose to be unbreakable then it was broken the more people brag how good it is will eventually leave some hardcore coder to get big props and crack it. i say just leave it alone and move on.

[babydred]

here, here...i agree...just drop the "someone will crack it" talk...why give someone more of a reason to try and do it? :?

It's all about bragging rights in blackhatville...leave it alone and drop it.

PLEASE :D

[Supafly]

Sorry, but speaking from experience I remember people saying music software such as Steinberg Cubase or Steinberg Nuendo ($1000 Software which required a state of the art copy protection hardware dongle) could not be cracked! I tell you once the hackers got the hang of it, it took them all of 2 weeks to crack each succesive upgrade.

If i had $1million I would bet you DRM is cracked within 3 months actually.

Don't believe the hype, everything is crackable. Often software is cracked with the help of disgruntled internal employees, it just takes one, but more often by very clever geeks!

Of course most people don't know where to look for such things, but if you do they are fairly easy to come by.

[PhunkEMan]

If i had $1million I would bet you DRM is cracked within 3 months actually.

And i'd take that bet!

I've said it once and i'll say it again, DRM has been out for years and has yet to be cracked...it's not...I repeat NOT a new technology!

[Neo Beta]

Exactly..it isn't new, audio CDs are encoded with it now, Microsoft isn't building this for themselves they're building this for purely licensing purposes and if it fails they'll be in the shitter. I think the DRM protection is the right road, a rocky road, but the right one if pulled off correctly..and you guys just hollaring crack-crack-crack really should sit back and wait silently..then in 6 months come back with your I so told you so's, this is..assuming it is cracked.

[Movie Guy]

I'll take that bet too Supafly.
Dude, did you even read my post? Did you bother to check out that forum link I provided? Just because AB starts using DRM, doesn't mean it'll be cracked in 3 months. hundreds of sites have been using windows DRM for YEARS!

No one is saying it is uncrackable. We are saying it is highly unlikely it will be cracked, especially within the next 3 months as you wagered.

This is pathetic. Anyone else notice how there seems to be two camps developing on the AB forums: the pessimists and the optimists?

Worse then newbs. At least newbs are eager to learn and grow and are worth our time.

Anyone who is a pessimist, hear this story:
A guy emails me complaining my site advertises hi-speed downloads and doesn't deliver. He says it takes hours to download a single file and that my site is a scam just like every other. After checking his info, I asked him, "are you on dial-up sir?" That shut him up.
So you pessimists, do you think you are any different from this guy?

[Supafly]

When I "Click OK to upgrade your DRM components" I get the following error:

"A connection with the server could not be established"

As a webmaster I cannot even get these movies to play!

If I joined AB I would cancel the first month.

[boob butler]

Never claimed to know the industry like the back of my hand...but i do know that RLD stopped licensing and DeluxeAss is going to have to go DRM soon themselves or get some low-level content from small and virtually unknown studios...if they want to stay in the AVS biz.

dp has thousands of titles, only 120 of them are RLD. i don't know how you can say they will be in trouble

the argument about drm being crackable doesn't make any sense. it's like saying because cars eventually break down you will never buy a car.

[Neo Beta]

Never claimed to know the industry like the back of my hand...but i do know that RLD stopped licensing and DeluxeAss is going to have to go DRM soon themselves or get some low-level content from small and virtually unknown studios...if they want to stay in the AVS biz.

dp has thousands of titles, only 120 of them are RLD. i don't know how you can say they will be in trouble


Exactly, glad at least someone here has some common sense. Same ignorant level ideals are the reflection of those against the DRM system. It may not be the best idea in the world but there has to be some stronger arguments than 'its going to get cracked someday' otherwise, it is time to go with the flow. It is obviously the way of the future..I think others are waiting to see how AB pulls out of this before it truely becomes the norm. Don't like it..there always is elsewhere..

[Supafly]

The argument is about AdultBouncer DRM movies effectively being a rental service, rather than a cost effective way of acquiring Adult DVD movies.

[PhunkEMan]

dp has thousands of titles, only 120 of them are RLD. i don't know how you can say they will be in trouble

Shame that 80% of the sites re-use the same old RLD content though...LOL

[boob butler]

Shame that 80% of the sites re-use the same old RLD content though...LOL

only 5 sites are allowed to use the same title. of course webmasters love putting those titles front and center on the preview site cause they look good.

i don't have a problem with ab becoming a rental service as long as it gets good contracts with previously unavailable studios. it's like having to choose between blockbuster, who has all the good titles for rent, and a corner store that offers cheap but stale titles for sale, and by the way those stale movies are also available free from another store as bootlegs.

you can stay in the corner store business and compete with free bootlegs

or you can say fuck it i'm going to become the blockbuster

[Aussiemade]

you can stay in the corner store business and compete with free bootlegs

or you can say fuck it i'm going to become the blockbuster

Very well put!

The days of the Corner Store are over, just look at the Mass Merchants, Supermarkets and the SuperStore type specialists, they're killing the opposition.

If you don't keep ahead of, or at least up with technology, you're doomed. Is DRM, is Good!

[Movie Guy]

blockbuster is losing rental business btw. They are moving towards selling more DVDs.

[ggmovies]

Blockbuster and other rental stores are losing money because its easier to get free movies online and netflix is a good deal. Theres also video game and Hell even a porno rental service modeled exactly like netflix.

[xpc]

blockbuster is losing sells because they have more competition like hollywood video and others even supermarkets are renting videos so blockbuster doesnt have a monopoly anymore.

[Movie Guy]

blockbuster never had a monopoly. There were always corner rental places, supermarkets, and even netflix services. Blockbuster revenue wasn't affected by those things. It was DVD sales. With the explosion of DVD, more and more people were BUYING them instead of RENTING them, forcing blockbuster to change retail strategies (at least in the US).

File-sharing of movies didn't really cut into blockbuster's profits because the films most traded were new Hollywood releases. And even with a service like kazaa, it wasn't that worthwhile to download a video because it could take days.

Look up the official statistics and blockbuster's guidance, as well as analysts review: DVD sales hurt blockbuster so they are adapting by expanding their DVD sales section.

I think the comparison by Boob Butler was used due to blockbuster's size and brand recognition. In a more analytical sense, one can argue that blockbuster also changes with the time while the corner store stays with rental and has to continually lower its price to keep up.

Sheesh. I write a one line post and I end up having to explain it in detail because the business-angle was completely lost on opinion-analysts.

Once again, I'll re-iterate: blockbuster isn't losing noticeable money from online rental, kazaa, or Hollywood video (which has been around for a while!). It's DVD SALES. People don't want to rent when they can own for just a little bit more.

[Supafly]

Question is this:

(i) Should I join AdultBouncer for $19.95 a month to effectively 'rent' adult DVD movies whereupon I cancel my membership all my movies are useless?

Or

(ii) should I just go to a cheap Adult Online DVD retailer and actually buy the DVD for around $20? At least I would always have the product I paid for.

[mattyboy]

I'm pro DRM, so much so that i'm creating a non AB site using DRM.
With AB using DRM the surfer still gets a fantastic deal.
As people are comparing DRM with Blockbuster, imagine if Blockbuster offered a "rent all we stock, whenever you want" for a AB's price of $19.95 per month - the customer would think it was a great deal.
As for the movies expiring once your membership does, how many surfers actually watch the same movies over and over again? Not that many i suspect.
I work with a few content providers and they don't want there content ending up all over Kazzaa etc - which is where DRM comes in.
More and more content suppliers will licence there content providing it is protected and this has to be positive thing to AB.
All the big names such as AB, DP, JansWebring have a lot of good content but much of it is the same across all the networks.
AB have already said that they have new content coming because it will be protected.
In my view thats a good thing...

[boob butler]

man i told one analogy and this turned into a discussion about blockbuster's bottom line :D

i think most of the resentment toward drm is from the fear of losing your members, but in the porn world being nice to your customer is not always the best strategy. tgp sites got rid of pop ups, circle jerking, blind links, now they are going all thumbs. you'd say that is being very nice to the surfer, but guess what conversion is also being run into the ground.

instead of trying to be as nice as you can, find the sweet point where joining AB is advantageous to other means of getting porn, yet make them pay as much as possible for their enjoyment. if blockbuster said to you, if you pay $20 a month for membership, you can keep all the dvds you take home and watch them for as long as you are a blockbuster member, you'd sign up. why? because they have a nice and large selection. now imagine there are no bootleg copies of the best blockbuster movies floating around anywhere, and it's either joining blockbuster, or coughing up $25 to buy a single dvd. the choice becomes quite clear

substitute block buster with adultbouncer, and you know the strategy AB is trying pursue. why settle when you can evolve?

in other words, accept that you'll lose some members (most likely the least loyal ones anyway), but you will gain a lot more back by pushing fresh, high quality content.

[Movie Guy]

boob butler is right.

I'd like to add that it is all about perception.
Think first what you do with porn: you watch it maybe a few times, get a good feeling, then get bored and move on to the next porn title. Unlike a good hollywood movie, most people don't watch the same porn title continuously and get bored of it fairly quick. Therefore, DRM to the end user is of no consequence since well before the 60 days are up, they'll probably be bored of watching it.

BUT, and this is a big BUT, people also like owning things, or at least the illusion of it, even though they don't really need it. So people like burning their porn onto CDs or DVDs so they can watch later, but most likely, they'll probably forget about it. This is the problem. Hopefully, the end user will start thinking logically, but with what I've seen, not likely. =)