What's AB policy on leechers?

[Movie Guy]

So a visitor signs up to AB with the expectation that one account can access a number of great sites. Some AB sites link to each other within their members section, which is ok. BUT I've encountered a site linking just to mine and promoting it like his/her own. The webmaster hasn't updated in a while and I get about 10 visitors a day and increasing. This is not in consensus with the ideals of adultbouncer in my opinion. He essentially built a site, put up a few movies to get approved, then push mine to help his retention.

Anyone else have this happen to them?

[hajanoken]

ive been experiencing this too with new sites coming on board with their few videos and then saying "more movies available" at the following sites, mine being one or two of them. i think its a total sham. especially crappy asian sites that use my site to buff up theirs. ive started emailing all the sites that i dont approve of that have links to my sites that havent asked permission for. and of course that isnt working. AB should set up one guy to handle "webmaster ethics", a place where webmasters can file legitimate grievances against each other. if someones linking to my site and making money off of it without my permission/knowledge then that person should be dealt with accordingly. if they dont remove the link then their site should be shut down until they comply. as long as AB is cleaning up its act lets go all the way and fix everything.

haj

[D-XXX]

i noticed this problem a while ago when i accidently left a counter on one of my pages in my member section and saw referrals coming from other ab sites, so i know exactly what sites are. I guess in one way i should be honored, but i know your site Movie Guy and i've seen yours Haj. It sucks when we bust our asses updated weekly and people ride our coat tails. I run 5 archives and try and update all of them, plus submit galleries, try and make unique archive designs. I try putting effort in my updates with text descriptions, pics, and unique banners, cross referencing and it sucks when another site gets an initial signup and harder working sites keep their retention.

I guess it's one of the drawbacks of saying you're part of the network. All i do is provide links to my own archives and the participating sites listing. I think this is the best solution. I think if it's not your own site then send them to the participating sites list. The only other solution is to go exclusive.

i still think AB should push the stronger archives in a premium section. Reward the webmasters who bust their butts, who generate sales, who try and be unique. They are the sites who keep AB alive. I always say i try and put the class back in ass, and since alot of us promote the same movies i think it's a shame when webmasters take advantage of hard working webmasters. shame on you. shame on your houses. and i curse you with leprosy. maybe that's all i can do for now.

[Neo Beta]

This is the consequence for applying your site to a network. Face it, your site is used for retention..thats it's purpose. It tickles me you guys think a site needs 'permission' to link to your member's section? You forfeit your exclusivity when your site touches AB. Best you can hope for is AB to continue to weed out these poor sites..which has been going on for what seems..forever.

[hajanoken]

i think theres a different mindset between those of us who are here to generate quality sites versus those who are in it for a quick turn around and fast money. my sites not only represent a monetary value to me but also personal value from all the work ive put into them. instead of permission i should have said basic courtesy in asking someone to link to their site. someone in it for the snatch and grab is going to do whatever it takes to make the money. but someone who's in it for the long run and wants to establish themselves and their sites are going to utilize basic manners and simply ask others when creating "prominent" links to their sites. i have no problem with people linking my sites on a seperate link page but to advertise it on the top of their main page where people see it before the content of that particular site is where i think i'll draw the line.

haj

[Movie Guy]

hear hear!
I agree with Hajanoken's views.

Neo Beta, there's actually a rule saying you can't just link to another webmaster's members area like it is your own. Whether or not this is strictly enforced is another matter, although I'm hoping it is.

Like Hajanoken, other people can link to my site in a separate link list or even a small text link on their main page. No permission needed. And I understand the concept of one membership accessing a whole bunch of sites is a good thing for all of us. But members should find these sites in the participating sites list, not be promoted heavily by webmasters interested in leeching off you. I pay $250 for movie license and I'll be damned if someone leeched off me.

I found a site that looked like this:

-title graphic
-box covers of movies linking directly to my site
-a huge link saying, "largest AB movie archive here. Daily Updates"
-a few more words about this "largest AB movie archive"
- 6 AB movies that hasn't been updated in a while.

Now that is blatant violation of the rules in my opinion.

I urge webmasters who are doing something similar and linking my site to stop. If you want to link to me, a small text link is acceptable. I have stats on my site. It's not worth being deleted and banned from AB.

[Neo Beta]

Regardless of the rules I hate to burst the bubble but this has been going on for years. If it changes all of a sudden I personally will be very surprise, but good luck to ya.

[Movie Guy]

always the optimist eh? =)

[Neo Beta]

Heh unfortunately with some things, this for instance, waiting for change is like watching paint dry in a pool of oil. Not trying to be difficult just giving a realistic point of view, I do hope things look better for you guys though.

[sververda]

If it is done like Movie Guy says it is blind linking, wich is not allowed!
If those sites refer to other sites to buff up their site, it should be a obvious link to other AB sites, and those links should be on the public section not the member section. Furthermore they should make the page SE good. In that case the linking can help you to get a better PR.
But any other way it should not be allowed!

[darnpj]

Hey All,

I myself have seen some ppl use the AB site list as tho it is a site of its own and they use all kinds of deception to accomplish this. I have had some ppl who for some reason they have choosen the EXACT same words in my title and description and even go so far as to put my sites url up and when the url is clicked the syrfer ends up in this person's store?
Now i guess what Neo-Beta is saying is true , BUT there is a thing called ETHICS that should be applied in small and large biz. We unfortunately are in a biz where you can make alot of money and ppl can steal alot of money by methods that even a simple child could see! But these things are ignored in some instances and therefore some of us are forced to spend time and money to prevent these a---oles from taking all that we work so hard for!!
Now my sites are not prize winners but they are mine and they do make some jinggle, but i have to say that when this becomes some sort of cutthroat biz! Where i have to constantly be watching to make sure that my work is not used by others to make themself's money I will quit! Just about everyone knows me or has seen my threads and i do care about the way AB treats its webbies and also if the biz makes money, and noone can say that i dont try to help if i can, BUT nowadays Iam very reluctant to do much.
All that i can say is we are all correct in our own way and there are just some things that cum along with being JUST an affiliate with AB instead of going another way. Patsite,Etc. And i will try to my very best ability to stop these ppl who have no other way except to ride the work and also money of someone else who has had to do the very samething they are, and that is START FROM THE BOTTOM! My 2% :shock: Luck To Us All!

[babydred]

Would anyone have a problem if i were to email them and ask permission to add a link on my preview site index page, for instance, to the preview area of their site...more of a "more ebony/black and interracial sites here" type of section under my exit link?

Notice i didn't say more content...but more sites. :wink:

I always wanted to do this, but i don't want to incur the wraths of my AB webster friends. :lol: . After all, this is a network and we should be trying to work together, not against each other...we can all benefit from some extra exposure....give potentials a multiple choice of sites...good sites...and you have to admit...the participating sites listing isn't made up of JUST good sites. :roll:

I don't like the fact that others are linking to others members areas inside their own members area.

I think it's just wrong...especially without the permission of the site owners...all's you can do for now is to ask them to remove your link, give them a set time to do it in and if they don't comply , then go to AB.

[darnpj]

Hey Dred,

Thats not bad dred except that the emailing is kinda in the line of using email to further your own sites and thats a nono, just pm them in the forum and if they dont answer then that means no! Now as far as what AB can do in the given situation will depend on IF the offending webmaster is a AB webbie and if the offending site is on an AB host? Because if not there is nada except asking them to stop that Rob can do, I know this from my own exp.
And if they are outside of our system then you can do only one thing and that is to get your page or pages copywritten and then go to the host of this person and say look this guy is breaking copywrite law and watch his site get pulled. Its a major pain in the ass let me tell you but someone using my sites content and also my sites main page to their own advantage and not staying inside the TOS , like adding a header to my sites main page which has happened and the guys at AB got the person to stop by shutting down his site. Its all out there and if they can take it ,or steal it , or invent a way to do it ! We will have this problem and we the hardworkers will be trying to stop it as best we can!
Ihope that all of us have a excellent 2004 and make more money and have less hassle! 8) Luck To Us All!

[hajanoken]

i dont know about linking to other sites in your PREVIEW area. giving people the opportunity to leave your site before they even sign up for it is not in the best interest of your wallet. like i said before a seperate link page in your members area is completely acceptable as long as it follows after your content. heres an example of how some traffic reaches my sites:
http://prv.avexpress.adultbouncer.com
i think thats the right url, i cant check cuz im at work right now. but if it is correct then you can see how this site offers every other AB asian site before offering its own content. it gives the member the ability to enter any other site first before the site for which they signed up. i think this is crap. but like neo said thats what you get when you belong to a network. if i were shady id try to do something along this line. fortunately im not.

haj

[Movie Guy]

I too have reservations about avexpress. His actual members area is filled with great content and it's nice that he provides his members with a list of other great AB sites, but shouldn't that be on a separate page within the site and not his main page?

The online adult industry feels like New York: you gotta bend, sometimes break, the rules to survive. Ethically, that is wrong and bad for society in general.

[babydred]

i dont know about linking to other sites in your PREVIEW area. giving people the opportunity to leave your site before they even sign up for it is not in the best interest of your wallet. like i said before a seperate link page in your members area is completely acceptable as long as it follows after your content. heres an example of how some traffic reaches my sites:
http://prv.avexpress.adultbouncer.com
i think thats the right url, i cant check cuz im at work right now. but if it is correct then you can see how this site offers every other AB asian site before offering its own content. it gives the member the ability to enter any other site first before the site for which they signed up. i think this is crap.

haj

What about offering other sites as a link in my main menu at the top of my pages...then they have the choice of zooming to another site...while surfing mine?

What i'm getting at here is, i would like to offer other GOOD ebony/black and interracial sites WITHOUT sending them to the crappy psites lists...a separate link to a separate page would work..as i don't care about signups at this point...just advertising...getting my site out there.

I want no link backs from the preview site alternatives...but i do want to be a name dropper of some good sites...better looking and more profitable than mine...but in the same neighborhood, so to speak...the same niche...we can all only benefit from this...if i don't get the signup, at least let me be another door for other sites in my niche.

I'll even rotate the sites and rotate in new ones...if i work at it...i can make the list randomized each time the page is loaded...as i won't be using the "1, 2, 3 method of listing"...probably not even bullets...

Any form of advertising is good advertising (just look at actors, singers, rapstars and other high-profile gigs (mike jackson and kobe come to mind))...good or bad...i just want to work on the side of good advertising, if i get a signup...so be it. :wink:

I should be able to get a wref signup from sending them...right...like when i send them to AB's signup page? :?

If i code it right. Right? :?

[D-XXX]

there is only so much complaining you can do. the best thing to do is report a site you suspect is fishy, report them to AB. sites with alot of content and sites that look good are always gonna be targets. But it's like being an attractive girl, there are pros and cons. You may get all the attention and more opportunities in life but you'll get approached and stalked by skeezers.

like Fabio use to say "Don't hate me for being beautiful" and "don't use me for your retention"

[babydred]

If i were to get permission from site owners to put AB preview sites on my preview site index page (i would do this WITHOUT the wref...i don't flow that sneaky and under-handed)....wouldn't that still be like putting linklists, tgps, mgps, search engines, etc. on my page...those linkbacks still steer potentials away from my site, the only difference is that i pay them to list my site or page by providing that link back...i don't want a link back from the sites i list.

At least this way they are still in the AB network...correct.

But if everyone is so dead set against it...forget i asked...but, if you do want your site url or title shown on my index page without having to link back to mine...pm me.

It's all advertising to me, y'all. :D

[Movie Guy]

it's generally a bad idea because it's not good to drive business away from your site. The only way you can take advantage of such traffic and keep business on your site is to make your preview area much better than all the rest.

[plmert]

like Fabio use to say "Don't hate me for being beautiful" and "don't use me for your retention"

hehehe. nice.

i update my site and promote my own content before others. but i do provide my customers with a list of my favorite AB affiliates on a links page in my members area. i also sell the idea of potential members becoming a part of the AB network in my preview area. i used to just have a link to the AB listings in my prv, but with so many poo sites i figured it couldn't hurt to have something more.

if anyone out there would like to be removed from my links page please don't hesitate to email me as i'm currently checking out all these sites to make sure they still work after the AB site listings cleanout.

i don't want to use anyone, but can't i point out some other hotties to my customers.

[Project-Shadow]

My opinion on this is, if you have spoken to the webmaster about linking fine. If not then fuck off... plain and simple :D

[babydred]

my thoughts exactly...

But after what Darnpj showed me...i will stop my campaign, because i am beginning to feel as though i'm defending those leeching losers...whether my intentions are good...there is still the potential for bad and I humbly apologize to those that were offended by my request...albiet...my door is still open...but i will not email and request participation from any webmaster...

Here is a copy of the pm i replied to darnpj with:
:shock: Dayumm Darnpj....the site owner went all out and spared no expense....fit your url in there anywhere he could...you alone have convinced me to end my campaign with visual evidence of what you guys are speaking of.

he is definitely using you for retention...i will just add a link to the psites listing at AB...thank you for opening my eyes. :wink: