Price Increase!

[AB-Rob]

Adultbouncer is thinking of increasing the price for the premium and standard membership.
Now the standard membership will go from $19.95 to $24.95
and premium membership to $24.95 to 27.95.
What this means to the webmasters and us is more bling. But before we go out and raise prices, we would like to ask the webmasters what their thoughts are on this subject.
What do you think? Feedback is always appreciated.

[eMonk]

mo money fo sho!

*bling bling* :lol:

[empshadow]

Cheaper is Better!!!
Don't raise the price.
EX:
I used to BUY all my video games, because the prices were fairly low.
Now it can cost up $80 depending on what game it is and I haven't PAID for a game in almost 2 years.
Instead I go to places like Kazaa or Direct Connect to get ripped copies of games, even if I can't play them online with other people, I'd still rather get some thing for FREE then pay High prices for it.
If games were still $30, I'd still be buying them.
Same thing will happen here if you raise the price, people will just go get their porn elsewhere.

Empshadow

[industry]

Mmh, I'm still undecided because I think a higher price doesn't automaticly means more money ... it will depend on the single site a member would like to join.

For AB generally I would suggest to increase the price just when you guys finished going through all the sites and deleting the crap ones 'cause then the value of the AB network is higher and also justifies a price increase.

But when you decide to do this the price is acceptable --> lower than the one from a known competitor :lol: :wink:

[Movie Guy]

I have to side with Industry and Empshadow. Porn is something people want to pay as little money as possible for, which explains why those password sites are so popular. Heck, even I used to go to password sites. That's not to say the price can't be raised, but internet shoppers can be very finicky and if you raise the price, they expect an increase in quality as well. If the derelict sites on adultbouncer were purged and a certain level of quality maintained, then it is possible.

To do this, the webmasters themselves have to improve their sites as well. Too many webmasters are getting into adultbouncer thinking they can make a quick buck with little initiall capital. That is bullshit. These webmasters rely on the strength of adultbouncer to sell their site when the real purpose of the former, "age verification system" was to offload the membership management to a centralized third-party so that the webmaster could afford more time on properly running his own site. Instead, we get webmasters setting up something with a lot of links pointing to other AB sites in the members area.

So I say to all webmasters: you want more money, better membership retention and satisfied customers? Then make your site the reason why someone signed up AND stay.

[empshadow]

Movie Guy hit the Nail right on the Head!
You want to generate More money?
Here's an Idea, make a QUALITY site and Promote the heck out if!
I was a skeptic just a few DAYS ago even. I saw a post that "ConsernedUser" guy had put up about how he thought AdultBouncer was skimming from us webmasters.
But then there was a response to that which said, "If you want to elliminate ANY doubt of whether or not that is true, use your OWN credit card and sign-up to your OWN site to see what happens."
I thought to myself, "what the heck, I'll be getting the money back anyways!"
I was pleasantly surprised to find out that I'm not being ripped off by AB. The instant my transaction went through, I got a letter saying my site had a new sign-up.
So now the question is, how do you promote your site to generate lots of NEW unique traffic, right?
That's what I wondered too and like a messenger from God, LOL, D-XXX told me about AdultBouncer's TGP Hosting.
What are TGP's you ask? I didn't know either at the time.
TGP's are Thumbnail Gallery Pages that you can make with small 2 MB sample movie files and Adult Bouncer will host the webspace for you for FREE. The only condition is, that for every 10 GB that people have downloaded from those TGP's, that you make at least ONE new sign-up.
Once you have those pages made and uploaded and they're all working 100% you need post those pages in as many places as you can find.
How do you find places to post your TGP's ???
Goto ANY search engine and type in FREE XXX Movies
You will find 100's of TGP posting pages.
From that point on, you shouldn't have any more problems generating New customers ;)

EmperorShadow

[industry]

I totally agree with Movie Guy regarding that first of all webmasters have to do something to increase the value of their own sites if they want a better AB network.

But regarding the behavior of people (if they will pay or not a higher price) I'm not really sure. Of course, they want to pay as little money as possible but there is also the possibility that these people who will join with $19.95 also will join with $24.95. If they really like what they see and think they are able to spend the money ... would these additionally $5 keep them from joining? This is the price and they have to decide if its worth the money or not.

little example:
One or two years ago the prices for petrol/gas rised a lot here because of higher taxes on it. Everyone expected the people would drive less and think twice whether to use their car or not. And what happened?
People are driving as much as before. Of course they don't like to pay so much but they do.

The point is petrol isn't porn. Petrol is necessary for todays life, and porn is not (at least: not really :wink:).
I would really like to know which kind of people join porn sites and if additional $5 would keep them from doing this.

What I currently expect: a little percentage won't sign cause of the higher price but at the same time I expect we'll get this money back with the additional bucks we earn.

Of course the temptation to cancel would be higher if the member isn't really satisfied.

[AB-Rob]

Yes but you also need to remember (something we heard from many other paysites) that many users see the price 19.95 and think its a scam because we offer so much content for a very low price.

Go try to find any quality sites with near our content for this price. You will find most sites are 29.95 with streaming videos and some galleries.

You'll also notice sales will be steady if not more, many of our other competitors would have not followed this road if it caused them any worse.

[industry]

You will find most sites are 29.95 with streaming videos and some galleries.

This is an argument!

[empshadow]

Hey Industry,

Not to rag on your little gasoline example there, but there's a BIG difference. People NEED gas. It could go up to as high as $10 a gallon and people will still be buying it. They'll be pissed off, but they'll buy it anyways, because they need vehicles to get them from point A to B. Also, people Can't get gas for FREE elsewhere.
People don't NEED porn, it's just a convenince to have it when you're feeling horny and you need to wank off at something. LOL
Plus people CAN get it for FREE if they really want to.
Push the prices higher and you'll find a lot more people doing Just That!

[masteryoshidino]

I think its the wrong time of year / wrong season to be talking about price change.

Well I am not sure since its sounds nice that a month membership is justa 20 dollar bill. or the price of pizza, soda and a tip.

Raise it to 25 and some are gonna bitch and think it looks more expensive since its a 2 and not a 1 on the leftmost digit. I don't care though since its not price but signups and retention that makes my dough.

Only good thing is that its still 5 less than deluxe.

heh only reason I mention other sites on my members section is so they can be compared to and since they are stronger at certain areas than I am while I am stronger at areas they are weak at.

oops edit:
movie guy is totally right and I agree, promotion is the way to go, ab is better off with no price change as with the sites out there, its not worth the risk of cancels from bs sites still being up.
If you ppl want signups daily you need to promote, get traffic, and make your site look professional.

[blumblumshub]

Hi peeps.

We need to justify the price rise. The webmasters need to make better sites (me too), we need to make sure all our links work, no broken images, fuxxored tables, etc etc.

Owners of cookie cutter sites should be burned in hell, and we should all be invited to watch the spectacle, possibly given free popcorn and cola too.

AB should also join in the self-improvement kick by making sure the servers are in tip top condition, quit deleting peoples' contentservers, give us reliable stats and make abhost the best freehost there ever was (it's promoting AB, it's got to be the best, yes?)

I want to congratulate AB on hiring QA. He's not only helping with the quality of the sites, but he's a damned intelligent and helpful guy, and a joy to talk with. He can pay me for that later, usual price ;)

If AB and the webmasters work together, we can justify any damned price we want, but as we stand, I'm afraid I have to say no, keep the price as it is.

Let's work together, bring ourselves up to scratch, and get rich!
Blum

(starting the AB fan club shortly)

[mattyboy]

I think it might be worth testing for a couple of months. How would the rebills work though? If someone signed up a few months ago and stayed active, would they be charged $19.95 or the new price? If they were charged the $19.95 still, it might be a bit of a "sweetener" for them to stay longer knowing they are not paying the new higher price each month. If they stayed for 6 months at the old price it would be a saving of $30 for them. Also AB's main competion for the amount of content is DP and they charge almost $30 per month.

[masteryoshidino]

lol but after reading what blum said, can I join the club too ? ^______^

[mattyboy]

...oh and i agree with blum about the servers being in good shape. Theres nothing worse than someone joining my site only to get an email from them saying my site is down or slow. First impressions last for the paying customer.

[AB-Rob]

1) the servers we buy are $15,000 each so i dont think we will get better than that. its the hardware supplier that is giving us faulty equipment. We can buy hardware from fuck a duck Inc but then everything would be faulty. Nothing we can do about it, every supplier is the same. The quantity we buy justifies there IS going to be spuratic problems here and there.

2) Reliable stats? haha our stats are live directly from the billers. How much more reliable do you need it? If you need help understanding the stats area then our guys can answer your questions.

3) We dont delete people contentservers, however we do delete sites that are inactive for quite along time. movies requested from order system are expired after 30 days, no changes will happen to that also.

4) ok we will make abhost hte best. 3/4 of the webmasters on it are going to be purged because 3/4 conversions are much higher than our rules allow. But theres only so far we can go because serving MGPs is very costly. We dont delete the webmasters because we give them time to try to improve their ratios. Or we can apply the rule and 3/4 of the webmasters would be suspended due to ratio problems. Or better yet we can raise the AB price and the ratios would change for the better because there is more room to play with.

We will try a price hike to see if conversions are steady. But at a later date. We feel sales will stay the same and so will retentions.

[Movie Guy]

I have to agree with what Rob said earlier. There are quite a number of people who still believe that AB is too good to be true; that for $19.95, they can get more content then the next nearest competitor (deluxepass) for $29.95. Even I have received emails asking as much.

Like everyone said in earlier replies, a price hike will have to be justified by an increase in quality and quantity from everyone. This can't be just about skimming more money (doesn't that look like what deluxepass is doing?) from customers. So webmasters should have better sites, and AB should have new studios or more content from existing studios available for webmasters (Marco putting up a handful of new movies on the content server a week is not enough in my opinion).

I want to bring up Deluxepass again: they've set a level by pricing themselves at $29.95/month while we remain at $19.95. Not only is our price less, but we have more content and we can use boxcovers. They can't. So we have a few options. Obviously we can punctuate the point we are priced less and have more content then them. Or we can raise our price to $25 or even match their price, and re-invest our greater profit leverage into making our sites outshine theirs even more (which if you go through their stuff, isn't that hard to begin with).

My own personal thought: my site has been up for 2 years and is now big enough to support itself, that is if there was a price-hike, members would most likely stay because my content selection and ease-of-use is so vast. But I can't say the same for newer websites. So for a price-hike would benefit someone like me because I make more money, while it may hurt for sites starting out because they have to work harder to sell their smaller collection. At the same time, it's good because this weeds out the wannabes.

I say we go for a price-hike, BUT, we should also either/or improve the content distribution so that webmasters have access to even more content, or bring another big-name studio like Adam and Eve, Wildlife, Zane, or Wicked onboard. I know for sure if we increased our price by $5 and I get a few extra thousands in my pocket each month, I'm going to use that money to buy more content for my members, hire a professional webdesigner, a pornstar to promote my site, etc.

And we have to ditch bestofab.com. It's a joke now. Anyone who took any time to go through the participating sites list will find many websites vastly superior to any listed on bestofAB. We have to let members know about the real best of AB

[xxxman]

AB has many quality contents/sites there $29.95 is easy , it depend on how the webmasters promote their sites and no more hacked password.

GOGO

[Dusty]

I say keep the price the same for now.
More porn for your buck, so to speak.
For one it is the wrong season to jack the rates up.
I think we would get more sign ups at 19.95 than 24.95 in the long run.

As for our servers we need to work together and not upload a lot of junk that takes up all the space up. I keep my site updated all the time and I can't right now because it is full. I just received and email from one of my members stating I have one of my movie links going to the wrong movie file.
My fuck up I had missed that one ( fuck me).
But what is really bad is that when I got there email 2hrs later after it was sent I corrected the problem right away because I don't need a pissed off member. I then tried to upload it and I got server full try again later. It has been 2 days since I received his email and still can't fix it.

What I am getting at is that we need to have good sites that are updated and looked after on a regular basis. We need to keep all our members happy and horny.

Bad words about Adultbouncer travels farther than good.

So we need to look after our members and create a great cummunity of webmasters and Adultbouncer staff. We need to work together. We need better comunication between staff and webmasters if we are all going to succeed.

Thanks :D

[masteryoshidino]

O.o
"keep all our members happy and horny"
I liked that one :lol:

[GoNe]

My opinion.. :) Raise the price as soon as possible.. :)

Kind Regards,
GoNe

[calvin]

My opinion on this would maybe be to contact some of the bigger sites that has consistent signups and see if the webmaster would be willing to be the guinea pig with the new prices and compare the results between the two prices and see which one brings in more money.

[AB-Rob]

Movieguy you are right, this is why we've already begun to acquire additional studios. Alot of changes happening :)

We will not raise the price until we acquire these new studios and have done cleaning in the site listing area.

Once QA says go ahead then that'll let us move to stage 2.

[xXxMovieMart]

Not a good idea this time of the year for sure. Summer is always slow anyway. If you are going to do it then wait till cold weather sets in as people seem to not want to go outside and that means they are more likely to be online.
I also have a forum (xxxmoviemart.com) that gets almost double hits in the winter and has been for 7 yrs. now.

Also a note......I'm partnered up with a dude that has a Deluxepass site and when they raised the price there it helped my signups at AB due to the lower membership rate.

[darnpj]

Hey All,

I think that the public already has shown what it wants simply because we do offer them the ability to pay more money and that is with add-ons, and they dont do it that often. I agree that some of the sites need to be better to charge more and i agree that maybe retention will rise.
But like i say they have had the chance for a very long time and from my signs and rebills i say they want as much as they can get for as LITTLE as they can get it for! I have sites on other avs and on one we give a lot of different chances to pay differing amounts to have memberships of certain types and i will say more pay 24.95 than 40.00 and so on and so forth.
I say lets take a hard look at the numbers from the current memberships and see what amount pays more? And we dont want to let the fact that we are #1 mean that we are gonna start stickin it to the surfer. They will run and hide or find a cheaper avs or pay the 3.95 per vhs tape and just whack it to the boob tube.

Lets think this one over long and hard folks! :roll:

[blumblumshub]

You'd already made your minds up anyway. Why did you ask?
Blum

[Project-Shadow]

Ok ..
I believe that this is good..
However the problem is many sites are just too poor to justify the price increase 0.o

I voted yes. Mainly cause i'm partially undecided :P

[nexusvideo]

Movieguy you are right, this is why we've already begun to acquire additional studios. Alot of changes happening :)

We will not raise the price until we acquire these new studios and have done cleaning in the site listing area.

Once QA says go ahead then that'll let us move to stage 2.

Yay for Rob. You go dude.

[Dr.Jerk]

I initially voted for keep pricing it as it is... After hearing the points made I would have to say increase prices, clean up, etc. AB rules.

[thekebie]

Raise prices to $29.95 I think, Deluxepass gives webmasters $15 recurring.

[damonx]

please stay at 19,95

29,95 changes at dp fucked up my signup ratio it's why we created 15 adultbouncer archive

[johnuk]

I think you should raise to $29.95

Although please get the rest of AB sorted out before changing, the site listings are terrible (people won't pay $30 when they see most of the sites are badly designed or 404), FTPs are out of space every two weeks and way, way, way, way too many sites have exactly the same content.

I have a few sites on DP and when they upped the price my sales stayed the same although naturally rebills had a slight decrease. If people can't make sales with AB/DP type movie sites, even when the price is $30 they're in the wrong biz.

[jurek]

please keep the price as it is.
i rather have $1000 from 100 members than $1000 from 66 members.
and of course AB must clean up the site listing and remove the sites that are poorly designed.
People already know that the 2 biggest movie network are ab & dp, but if ab improve the service with the same price , i'm sure we all will make a good sales.

[deorelx]

I say go for the price increase. I spend way to much time thinking of ways to make my site look better and function easier for the would be member (not to mention constantly building and submitting galleries) And lets face it if there is something about your site that catches the potential members eye they're going to break out the credit card and sign up whether your site is a class act or just a big pile of dog poop There are also the people who think if it costs more its' got to be better. Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of weeding out some of the weaker sites.
You are only as strong as your weakest link.

[Poonies]

Here is an idea that should please just about everyone.

Why not have a sliding scale for memberships. In other words the longer they sign up for the less per month they pay. And they pay up front for whatever period they choose.

So if they sign up for 1 month it may be 29.95 per month. 2 months - 27.95 per month, 3 months 25.95 per month, 6 months 19.95 per month. Anyway you get the idea. That way we have better retention and the long termers are no worse off.

Poonies

[chillwill]

I agree with the last post about the sliding scale, there is another factor. Most people who sign up for video sites are doing it for several reasons:
Buying dvd quality videos is very expensive($20+ if you are lucky enought to live in Vegas like me). Renting videos because an expensive endeavor eventually(typically around $3+ again Vegas prices, could be more else where). I myself joined Adultbouncer long before I ever decided to put a site up and was very impressed by the amount of content offered and never felt ripped off by the price and would not have felt ripped off if I payed more than the $19.95 that I payed for my sign up at that time. Actually I signed up several times, only letting my membership lapse do to the fact that I had to, not wanted to. There is also the reason that some people are in areas they do not have access to porn to even purchase. Their only access to porn is the net, and Adultbouncer gives the best bang for the buck of any AVS(and I would be so bold as to say many Mega sites) on the net that charge way more for the same content you can anywhere on the net for totally free if you know where to look. I also agree with the statement about dumping the down sites and people who have stopped keeping their sites up. There is no reason why they shouldn't, AB gives it all, all you have to do is get off your ass and make it happen. I have been a webmaster for years now and I know it takes work to make the money. When I work hard, the money comes, when I get lazy it stops. If you want the cash it is there if you are willing to get off your ass and make it. Clean the up the lazy sites and create a sliding rule pay system and they will continue to buy. This comes from a webmaster who was once(and still is at times) an avid lover of internet porn. LONG LIVE THE ADULT NET, AND MAY ASHCROFTS BALLS CATCH FIRE!!

[masteryoshidino]

omg thats a brilliant idea!
sliding scale all the way!
loved adultbouncer since 2001, haha made me wanna become a webmaster :wink:

lol this is post 13²

[babydred]

I agree with the flaming balls thing and...oh yeah...the sliding scale and lazy sites thing too.

[mrcock]

You have to make some improvement on your system first.
Especially let the hacked ID die faster.

Hacked AB IDs are all over on the BBS, sometimes they can live for many days.
if AB ID become very hard to get like DeluxPass Cybersex, more pp will register.

[thekebie]

Your signup ratios may go down with the $29.95 or a $24.95, but it will not go down as much as you will gain making an extra $5/member.

Also if AB is in trouble with Acacia it could cover that fee :P, but AB is based out of Canada, so I don't think much will happen there.

[Dusty]

AdultBouncer is it in Canada or the States?

I thought it was in the States

I still think we should wait and improve our sites and correct the problem of server full errors and have more content. Then we can raise the price.

[masteryoshidino]

cocks right, for one dp hacked, theres probably 100 ab's hacked via "brute force"

I think that there should be strict ban rules like if 3 (maybe 2 if you want to be really strict) unique ips login with same pass (instead of what, 10?, 5?, some circles I heard of keep keys to themselves and we need a very small number like 3 to increase the power of banning), the key is dead.

you can also try banning ip's caught using hacked passes 3 or more times, that would definately kill the proxies and the reg hacks from happening and cut the proxies that work quickly as they would all die/ be banned. You can catch proxies if more than two connections are used for same IP.

ab should also check out xxxhq and ban the regular proxies used / posted onto the members areas. this forum is one of the biggest places ppl dump proxies, no doubt.
http://www.xxxhq.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=30

proxy = hackers cloak
hackers (from what I understand from the posts I have read about "how to hack" on xxxhq) use proxies to use hack programs to "brute force" a pass to see if it works by trial and error. Proxies permit them to use many times more passes, and as a result, some eventually yield access.

there is no legitimate reason for a bonafide paying surfer to use a proxy as proxies = slow as heck surfing and downloading and they want porn FAST

its as easy as a simple .htaccess with "disallow" of all proxy ips.
that would be the best way to wipe out all the hacks as no hacker wants to risk losing their ISP or being tracked by their ISP IP.

in the end, it is proxies working that is the root of the problem.
wipe them out and there will be far less hacking done to ab and that will easily give adultbouncer better profit margin via reduced overhead costs from "freeloaders" eating up bandwidth

$0.02

[babydred]

I have to agree with masteryoshidino on this one...a great plan to block the hacks IMHO.

[Dusty]

Wow masteryoshidino that was very educational.

you know your stuff

Thanks for info, makes sense we need to stop hackers with free access and our public will have to join in order to get to our high quality network of porn sites. Instead of going to these hack sites and getting free passes.

[Dimitri]

Well, The psycological barrier of under 20$ (19.95) is a plus, but Rob also has a point about sounding crappy. I've been broswing through the psites list tonight and i'm having a hard time finding sites (exept those in bestofab) that I think are worth linking to. A raise in quality is definately neccesary for those 25$. Some people are putting just the movie cover and no more to their links. Small and little ammount of thumnails. There are good site's, no arguement here, but not enough to back up the 700+ sites info and have in mind that these 9200GB are a sum of duplicated movie after all. Can you say that there IS a member that has seen all AB has to offer, that hasn't quit because he's fed of not finding what he wan't and site designs that make say "Oh my god, what the #$%^ is this?" .
I think for now the price should be left as it is. First everone (including myself) should fixup their sites, giva our members the best and proove that AB isn't a scam. When I signed up as a webmaster I found the 19.95 deal very appealing. You could say that was the best part... :)

[Movie Guy]

but the point was to sell the membership fee based solely on the quality of your own site, not that of the network. It's an added bonus to have access to lots of other sites, but people should be interested in signing up and staying with your site alone.

[Alff]

HI:

Raise the price? why not?

1) AB is the best AVS in the market and is the lowest price too.
2) Raise the price to $24.95 still the lowest.
3) Improve the sites (lest say 20% of us)? well, you have to wait long time. Every AVS has a Excellent, Very good, Good, Average and Crap sites. This is no argument.
5) Server problems, I think this is most important matter to resolve. But I think is matter of some days. (I hope) 8) .

Improve the sites has 1 main problem many Webmasters (including my self) we are not advertisers so we are lerning how to, and many of us try harder to lern more each day. It's matter of dedication and TIME.

It's good idea to keep the price (19.95) for those members who already has AB it's very efective way to keep they with us.

Then, why not Raise the price? :D

[korny]

and what about that new members will have 3 month 25$ and after that 20$.and after 6 month 18 $ and after 1 year 15$
I think that can be verz good.
Or also we can try only firs month 25$ and after that 2-3 months 22$ etc..

[thekebie]

Only sliding scale for staying longer if they are sold the membership for the year at a deal up front.

[mrcock]

I saw an article which described a way using mIRC can get AB,DP password.
I tried but failed. But some people said it worked.


cocks right, for one dp hacked, theres probably 100 ab's hacked via "brute force"

I think that there should be strict ban rules like if 3 (maybe 2 if you want to be really strict) unique ips login with same pass (instead of what, 10?, 5?, some circles I heard of keep keys to themselves and we need a very small number like 3 to increase the power of banning), the key is dead.

you can also try banning ip's caught using hacked passes 3 or more times, that would definately kill the proxies and the reg hacks from happening and cut the proxies that work quickly as they would all die/ be banned. You can catch proxies if more than two connections are used for same IP.

ab should also check out xxxhq and ban the regular proxies used / posted onto the members areas. this forum is one of the biggest places ppl dump proxies, no doubt.
http://www.xxxhq.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=30

proxy = hackers cloak
hackers (from what I understand from the posts I have read about "how to hack" on xxxhq) use proxies to use hack programs to "brute force" a pass to see if it works by trial and error. Proxies permit them to use many times more passes, and as a result, some eventually yield access.

there is no legitimate reason for a bonafide paying surfer to use a proxy as proxies = slow as heck surfing and downloading and they want porn FAST

its as easy as a simple .htaccess with "disallow" of all proxy ips.
that would be the best way to wipe out all the hacks as no hacker wants to risk losing their ISP or being tracked by their ISP IP.

in the end, it is proxies working that is the root of the problem.
wipe them out and there will be far less hacking done to ab and that will easily give adultbouncer better profit margin via reduced overhead costs from "freeloaders" eating up bandwidth

$0.02

[OuterSpace]

I would go for a price raise right away but having subscribed myself and looked at most sites, I noticed there is also alot of crappy sites on AB. Maybe more crap than good ones (is mine one of em?) lol. Well, price usually goes with quality.. does AB deserve a higher price? :roll:

[hajanoken]

i say we lower the price. that way we can cut costs across the boards; tech support, membership support, server maintenance, etc.

and if someone complains we can say "Hey, you paid $9.95. what did you expect?"
:wink:

haj

[elmejor]

I dont think that if u rise membership will bring more money. Just take Deluxepasses example. They did very well when they have 20$/month but not doing same after they rised to 30$ or about..
So i think the actual, or old memberhip price was enough, considering thousands of crappy sites inside the network.

[mrcock]

I'd prefer to keep the price. In stead we could limit download speed and thread.

one member can only download one movie one time at max speed of 50kb/s. So if he want to download all the movies he likes, he has to spend several months.

Another benefit is prevent stolen pass.
EX: my id is AAABBB:PASS
I'm downloading now. If other people try to use AAABBB:PASS to download, system should not service him. If other people use AAABBB:PASS first, I can not download, but I should have some method to stop the thieves. It's very pain to the thief who has downloaded 99%.

[o]

I think the problem is that *most* Adultbouncer sites, promote quantity rather than quality (this can be observed as a gimmick)... as we all know we have both quality video content and vast amounts of it... I'm sure after the "crappy" sites have been culled, it will be very easy to charge more, because what we have to offer, is very much worth it.

$24.95 is a nice marketing price, not too cheap, and not too expensive for the average Joe to afford.

[wonderboy]

I agree with the price rise,
but there are some of you who thinks there are good and crap sites, do we really need a site with cool intros like flash, live web videos, streaming media?
When it comes to porn the quantity and the quality of the media counts more than anything else.
Some users prefer streaming media some don't. I don't like it myself, you need a fast broadband connection and you cannot save to hard disk for later viewing.

[arg2000]

Before raising the price, I think AB should pay more attention to:

1] Pass hack problem, why not limit 2IPs and 3~5G download day limit.

2] Server problem, disk-full and server down, like me, I usually only can have 50% up time for my member server! How can I charge members more??

3] Clean out all the dead sites, in Asian category, more than 20% haven't been updated for 6 month.

[wonderboy]

No need worry about hacking only a very minority would know how to. Brute force don't always work.
Site updates I think is not important as having new contents. new members would still appreciate the old content as they have not seen them before. More new sites should be added.
Is it allowed to add merchandise content to the member ab sites? You know sell stuff like adult teeshirts, mugs etc? can someone let me know.
At least its one way of making AB different to any Age ver sites.

[xxxman]

Please beat down the fucking hacked passes, AB has some sql/database weak holes, "brute force" not the problem

I saw a post on crack forum , the cracker said he just viewed the datebase of AB, there are around 93000+ members in database.

[tatoo]

:shock:

[unclelvis]

hellow everone
raise the price to 21.99 a 2 dollar increase.
just like the other porn sponsored sites.
if you increase by 5 dollars U.S. that is
100 lires or 2000 pesos. Let's encourage
our non american neighbours from the third
countries to get into PORN. The more they
can afford in their currency.. the more busines
we will get.
..thanks
E.U.

[wickedsun]

Like its been said before...let AB solve its main issues, like servers being full contantly and make a cleanup on some sites, and i'm all in favor a price increase, maybe not to 29.95 but 24.95 would be good :D

[Neo Beta]

Lots of good arguments going on here. I think its truely very simple.
AB needs to burn the site listing, and I mean literally. Look at the single competition and their quality of sites and then ABs. I agree, AB does have some good sites but you'll never find them..there are plenty of sites that look like they were built by 4 year olds. Raising the price would definitely mean you guys seriously get rid of those sites. Regardless if you're trying to give everyone a chance, we're trying to make money here right? Those sites represent ABs quality..we don't want to look like fuggin Adult Check.

Secondly, you guys talking about people brute forcing AB? Please..don't need to anymore. I'm not going to tell you why but AB should know, and the method they're using does not require multiple proxies..just 1 good one. AB definitely knows, and hopefully they're fixing the problem but from what I can see with the serious abundance of AB passes..raising the price will just promote these password sites.

The price increase would be best for all..AB has good sites (hidden behind the layers and layers of crap), good content, good webmasters, and fairly good support. Everyone would make more for their money for their effort but personally..unless those crap sites are delt with, and the pass issue is taken care of....stick with the normal price.

[smutstack]

yes, some very persuasive arguments here on both sides.
just wanted to stick my nose in to agree with the above. the two things the competitor is doing very well are: strict, strict approval of new sites, and consistent stripping of old crap, forcing quality to remain high, and far superior licensed content.

that's all. carry on.

[hajanoken]

this thread makes my anus itch. but i do agree on gettin stricter. i went thru one of the site categories today and found so much dookie that violated TOS it made my anus bleed. sites directing you to other non AB sites that required additional memberships or were selling dvds and stuff. multiple sites that in the end landed you at one site. and sites that seemed to be purely promotional, not even having its own members area but again linking to another site. i know it seems minor but if AB sez no to sumpin then it should be a definite no, not a "try not to do it" no. fix this and me and my anus will be happy again.

haj (and haj's anus)

[masteryoshidino]

"haj (and haj's anus)"
lol :lol:

just let ab do their thing.

[AB-Rob]

yup the QA guy is doing a wonderful job and clearing up crappy sites.

Specially sites that get into new site listing then never update again.

People like this we are going to blacklist against their name/address

We are going to create a new area also where newly updated sites will have priority in the site listing and be listed each day.

So it will break down liek this:

- New Updated Sites
- New Sites
- Categories Here

This will stop the abusive webmasters.

[babydred]

I like that idea...as all my sites get updated every 2 weeks which adds up to every week i will have at least one of my sites listed there.

(when able too, but that's another forum)

[D-XXX]

Thanks AB-Rob.
How will you guys know when our archive has been updated?
cause there are alot of webmasters out there who add a box cover and a couple of number links and consider that an update. But i like the new concept.

[babydred]

I'd like to know that too...my updates consist of a new screenshot pages of new movies and links to them.

No shady updates here. :D

[AB-Rob]

We will have a queue of people who updated, we will go down the list in queue. We will visit each site and see how its updated, only quality sites will be listed.

One box cover and a few links will get you rejected.

[darnpj]

Hey All,

The idea is a good one ,but maybe there are some sites in the new sites listings that have not been able to update because of the lack of space? I mean we all know what that feels like to make promises to our members and something happens and we cant update.
And im talking about for 1 or 2 weeks sometimes even more. How are we gonna be able to tell the lazy webbie ,from the poor webbie who just cant get any space. Im all for rewarding good webmasters who play by the rules and update with real content and not hotkinks to another site or just add a few pics and say "well theres my update".
Many months i dont make money i end up loosing money, but i buy good content and i try to make my members feel like they will get what they want.And for 19.95 they get it. 8) Luck To All

[AdvancedSubmitter]

As I can understand the price increase will happen. Any dates for this yet?

I will agree that there are a lot shitty sites out there with only a fragment of AB content (even though AB has a number of ugly sites as well - Regarding this and with voting in a not working condition most of the sites that new people check from the listing is of terrible quality so I would first solve the voting problem)

Back to track, people would pay $30 if they could find good/fresh content, high speeds and excellent support. Making sure that hacking passwords don't appear often would help towards this direction as well.

[AB-Rob]

BTW we are in negiation with our current supplier of content and we've struck a deal.

We will have shitloads of more new content very soon that are not available via people like Adult Legal.

We renegotiated and we strictly told them we dont want any content available on their site unless a webmaster requests it then of course. But we want to be apart from our competitor and have the edge.

But to answer darn, many webmasters ask for space over and over and over while we try to work as fast as we can. Asking for the space a thousand times per day won't increase its speed. Again let me re-iterate we had a hardware problem that we resolved and the guys are clearing space.

Lastly if we were to say to a webmaster ASAP there will be space they will complain even more saying please give me REAL time. If we were god we could read the future unfortunately we are not. Things happen once in awhile, but again the hardware issue has been resolved and we should see no problems.

But space issues will come up here and there from time to time as we dont keep our eyes on every single server every second. Our network grows daily and when we have 1000 servers to monitor we will have lots of fun.

Our guys are creating a util so you can submit to it when servers are full so we can tackle them quicker. In the meantime we are implementing a script per server to notify us of disk usage.

Lastly, we love you.

[Movie Guy]

We make big bucks for you guys so of course you love us. =)

Seriously though, all webmasters should keep in mind that this is a relationship. You keep your sites well kept, up-to-date, members happy, then you make more money and AB makes more money, then AB is happy and things will improve even quicker. I've been here for 2 years and noticed a lot of changes. Rob and the other guys do listen to your complaints and suggestions and work at resolving them. They are not supermen and must work around real-world limitations so please have some patience.

Can't wait for the new content.

And we love you AB guys too. =)

[industry]

They are not supermen and must work around real-world limitations so please have some patience.


Whaaat ???? They aren't supermen? ... 'real-world limitations' .... :shock:
Aaaargh, I always thought so :o

But ok, then all is clear; a world broke down for me, though, but this goes over :lol:

and just serious: nice to be here ;o)

[AB-Rob]

ROFL thanks :)

[Alejandro22]

We need to justify the price rise. The webmasters need to make better sites (me too), we need to make sure all our links work, no broken images, fuxxored tables, etc etc.

Owners of cookie cutter sites should be burned in hell, and we should all be invited to watch the spectacle, possibly given free popcorn and cola too.

Exact!

AB should also join in the self-improvement kick by making sure the servers are in tip top condition, quit deleting peoples' contentservers, give us reliable stats and make abhost the best freehost there ever was (it's promoting AB, it's got to be the best, yes?)

I agree!

Let's work together, bring ourselves up to scratch, and get rich!
Blum

Lets work!

(starting the AB fan club shortly)

[industry]

If I could vote again this topic, this time I would choose "yes" and give the price increase at least a try

how about it, any news? :wink:

[boob butler]

i think 24.95 is justifiable. ratios will be a little worse but the extra money should make up for it. keep old rebills at 19.95 and they should be more inclined to not cancel.

[AlexHu]

You have to make some improvement on your system first.
Especially let the hacked ID die faster.

Hacked AB IDs are all over on the BBS, sometimes they can live for many days.
if AB ID become very hard to get like DeluxPass Cybersex, more pp will register.

[ggmovies]

There arent as many Deluxepass passes out but they do last longer than AB.

With Cybersex AVS you would be comparing apples to oranges since they dont even offer 1/2 the quality that AB does. ALso they dont have many video sites and if you find ones that do have vids they are either streaming or small 2 - 3 mb clips

[industry]

any news about increasing the price? is this still a topic or likely not anymore?

I'm only curious :wink: